Roger White is an artist, the co-creator and co-editor of the art journal Paper Monument, and authored the recent book, The Contemporaries: Travels in the 21st-Century Art World. Because White is both an artist and one who has delved widely and deeply into the art world, it provided the longest and one of the best episodes the podcast has had.

We discuss entering and exiting the art world with varying degrees of attention; the pros and cons of working for other artists; the challenges of creating alternate/regional art centers; the exhuming of vintage artist’s careers, and how in the future that may no longer be possible; and Roger weighs in on painting, why he does it, and attempts to argue for the irrelevance of its being relevant.

The Conversation Podcast’s first live recording took place on September 9 at Ochi Projects gallery (and was generously hosted by Pauli Ochi).

Along with me, the co-conversationalists included writer and independent curator Katie Bode, artist Stephanie Pryor and writer Matt Stromberg. In a nutshell the conversation covered the artist’s relationship to the market, or vice versa, through the lenses of–New Museum artistic director Massimiliano Gioni’s comment about art being more than ‘visual entertainment;’ the explosion of abstraction in the marketplace; the paradigm-shifted landscape via technology, in particular Instagram; the roles of collectors, and the new types of collectors, impacting the art world; The show Forever Now at MoMA; and how one’s financial background affects, or doesn’t, an artist’s path as far as more traditional or more experimental.