In an exceptionally wide-ranging conversation, Carrie discusses:
her experience of displacement, both though being the daughter of a holocaust survivor (yet without having a Jewish name or looking Jewish), and the profound experience while visiting Vienna of feeling as though she could have been one of them;  her work in astronautics as an artist; making art out of scents; and her experience making and trying to show an elevator that collapses on the viewer.

Along with new co-host JEN COLLINS (see Conversation 3-Way Episode 3:),
we talk with JOSHUA DILDINE, who makes paintings on photographs.
We discuss: his large family and growing up in Fresno, CA (the armpit of California); his starting a family at a young age, and negotiating his young son’s time in his studio, and limiting his son’s time painting on his dad’s paintings); his relationship with his students at Pepperdine; and driving a raised truck as a Fresno youth.